A Vital Message to Christians and the World at Large

Old-Thinker News | Feb 5, 2013

By Daniel Taylor

 “These things I have spoken unto you, that in me [Jesus] ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.” – John 16:33

“I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.” – John 17:15

I am writing this message to you as a Christian; But I was not always a follower of Christ. This article should be important to you whether you are a Christian or not. The events happening now foreshadow what is to come, and every person on earth will be impacted.

I was once blinded by a worldly deception that came in the form of New Age philosophies. The lie “Ye shall be as gods” told to Adam and Eve will give you an idea of what I strayed into. The circles of friends I came in contact with were also led astray. I was told that in Lucifer great power was found, and that Hitler was not a bad person but rather another advanced soul playing its part in the coming new age. Jesus was viewed as a “great moral teacher” and not the savior of mankind.

During this time I was fairly informed about the issues covered daily in the alternative media. It was not until I came out of this deception and fully submitted to Jesus Christ that I came to completely understand what was happening in the world. The blinders finally came off. It was a bitter sweet moment of deep revelation and painful introspection.

A similar transformation is happening to others as they understand that a great lie has injected itself into modern day Christianity. The “Pre-Trib Rapture” theory has placed its adherents in a self contained bubble. Fictional movies like Left Behind reinforce the lie. They are willingly ignorant. Their rightfully troubled spirits have been soothed by a worldly doctrine crafted to lull them into a state of complacency.

The Pre-Trib Rapture theory says in a nutshell that because “we know not the hour” of Christ’s coming, he could come back at any moment; Today, tomorrow, any time. Any attempt to fight evil, therefore is futile. There is a problem, however. According to the bible there will come a great deceiver. He will be an imposter, a false Christ. He will convince the world that he is God, and then wage war against all Christians who do not worship him.

The new documentary “After the Tribulation” is exposing this false doctrine.

The truth as presented in this documentary stands on its own. All I can do is provide supporting information. The establishment has a serious interest in shaping religion. This has been true for ages. Noted historian Alexis de Tocqueville warned us in 1835 when he wrote Democracy in America that the churches were being usurped by power elites for their own agenda. He wrote,

“…sovereigns… are using the priests influence and turning it to their own exclusive profit. They are turning clergymen into functionaries and, often, servants, and they are using the clergy to reach the deepest recesses of the individual soul.”

In addition to the Pre-Trib doctrine, Christianity has been molded over decades to hold an international, globalist viewpoint. This is largely due to the influence of various Rockefeller family interests, but to what end?

Raymond B. Fosdick, a close friend of the Rockefeller family during World war II, served as president of the Rockefeller Foundation during that time. Fosdick, like the Rockefellers, held a belief in internationalism. He went as far to say that in the future, one man would rise and construct a global federation, stopping all war. Fosdick writes in 1941,

“Some day, I predict, a man will rise by whose hands a federation of the world will be so effected, and wars so stopped thereby, that his name will go down across the centuries associated with that great achievement, as Copernicus’ name is with the new astronomy, or Lincoln’s with the preservation of our union. That man will come. Some day he will arise.”

The question is, who is this man Fosdick is welcoming? If we understand what the bible tells us, the world is in for an unpleasant surprise.

“And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.” – Mark 13:13

Individuals steeped in the occult have looked forward to a time when the world will be “bathed in blood”, ushering in a new golden age.

“There is a Magical operation of maximum importance: the Initiation of a New Aeon. When it becomes necessary to utter a Word, the whole Planet must be bathed in blood. Before man is ready to accept the Law of Thelema, the Great War must be fought. This Bloody Sacrifice is the critical point of the World Ceremony of the Proclamation of Horus, the Crowned and conquering Child, as Lord of the Aeon.” – Aleister Crowley

“Maitrea himself spoke to me. He said ‘I myself am coming, sooner than anyone thinks possible.’ He will face humanity with a choice; Create justice in the world and build the most brilliant civilization this earth has ever seen, or perish utterly. That is the choice.” – Benjamin Creme

“Now, as we approach the quantum shift from creature-human to co-creative human—the human who is an inheritor of god-like powers—the destructive one-fourth must be eliminated from the social body. We have no choice, dearly beloveds. It is a case of the… elimination of the ego-driven, godless one-fourth who, at this time of planetary birth, can, if allowed to live on… destroy forever the opportunity of Homo sapiens to become Homo universalis… Before this stage of power can be inherited by the God-centered members of the social body, the self-centered members must be destroyed… Fortunately you, dearly beloveds, are not responsible for this act. We are. We are in charge of God’s selection process for planet Earth. He selects, we destroy. We are the riders of the pale horse, Death.” – Barbara Marx Hubbard

 Where do you stand?

72 Comments on "A Vital Message to Christians and the World at Large"

  1. [Great blog, Daniel. This creative bit was observed on the net. Enjoy.]


    by Dave MacPherson

    In a recent dream of mine I saw things that even John Bunyan didn’t dream about in his “Pilgrim’s Progress.”
    I was walking down a remote dirt road and came by an old store with a sign that said “Second Coming Store – Established in 1830.”
    I opened the door and spotted the elderly owner standing next to shelves covered with many bottles filled with liquids.
    “What are you selling?” I asked.
    “Second Coming perfume,” he said.
    He quickly explained: “Our first and most popular perfume is called ‘Rapture.’ It doesn’t have much substance but smells better than our other perfumes.”
    “How was ‘Rapture’ invented?,” I asked.
    He responded: “Well, the ‘gather’ in Matt. 24:31 was ‘borrowed’ in 1830 and when it was quietly transferred to a pretrib setting it became much more fragrant and ‘Rapture’ became its new name.”
    I also noticed the other bottled perfumes.
    Evidently reading my mind, he explained that after “Rapture” came out in 1830, other perfumers realized they’d have to stretch forward other ingredients found in other parts of the Olivet Discourse in order to make “Rapture” even more acceptable.
    His other “Rapture”-supporting perfumes were in bottles labeled “Unknown Day & Hour,” “One Taken & the Other Left,” “Thief in the Night,” and “His Elect” (Olivet Discourse “elect” was originally “Church” but later changed to “Israel”).
    I wondered why the store owner didn’t have some other Olivet Discourse perfumes like “Sun & Moon Darkening,” “Falling Heavenly Stars,” “Sudden Destruction,” and “Jerusalem Touchdown” which could also be placed in a pretrib setting.
    He said: “I could never sell the four perfumes you just mentioned!”
    I asked: “Why not? They’re in the same Discourse.”
    He blushed and said: “Folks would smell a rat!”
    Well, I finally woke up from my dream. If you think my dream was just a dream, then you are dreaming!


    Many evangelicals believe that Christ will “rapture” them to heaven years before the second coming and (most importantly) well BEFORE Antichrist and his “tribulation.” But Acts 2:34, 35 reveal that Jesus is at the Father’s right hand in heaven until He leaves to destroy His earthly foes at the second coming. And Acts 3:21 says that Jesus “must” stay in heaven with the Father “until the times of restitution of all things” which includes, says Scofield, “the restoration of the theocracy under David’s Son” which obviously can’t begin before or during Antichrist’s reign. (“The Rapture Question,” by the long time No. 1 pretrib authority John Walvoord, didn’t dare to even list, in its scripture index, the above verses! They were also too hot for John Darby – the so-called “father of dispensationalism” – to list in the scripture index in his “Letters”!)
    Paul explains the “times and the seasons” (I Thess. 5:1) of the catching up (I Thess. 4:17) as the “day of the Lord” (5:2) which FOLLOWS the posttrib sun/moon darkening (Matt. 24:29; Acts 2:20) WHEN “sudden destruction” (5:3) of the wicked occurs! The “rest” for “all them that believe” is also tied to such destruction in II Thess. 1:6-10! (If the wicked are destroyed before or during the trib, who’d be left alive to serve the Antichrist?) Paul also ties the change-into-immortality “rapture” (I Cor. 15:52) to the end of trib “death” (15:54). (Will death be ended before or during the trib? Of course not! And vs. 54 is also tied to Isa. 25:8 which Scofield views as Israel’s posttrib resurrection!) It’s amazing that the Olivet Discourse contains the “great commission” for the church but not even a hint of a pretrib rapture for the church!
    Many don’t know that before 1830 all Christians had always viewed I Thess. 4’s “catching up” as an integral part of the final second coming to earth. In 1830 this “rapture” was stretched forward and turned into an idolized separate coming of Christ. To further strengthen their novel view, which evangelical scholars overwhelmingly rejected throughout the 1800s, pretrib teachers in the early 1900s began to stretch forward the “day of the Lord” (what Darby and Scofield never dared to do) and hook it up with their already-stretched-forward “rapture.” Many leading evangelical scholars still weren’t convinced of pretrib, so pretrib teachers then began teaching that the “falling away” of II Thess. 2:3 is really a pretrib rapture (the same as saying that the “rapture” in 2:3 must happen before the “rapture” [“gathering”] in 2:1 can happen – the height of desperation!). Google “Walvoord Melts Ice” for more on this.
    Other Google articles on the 183-year-old pretrib rapture view include “X-Raying Margaret,” “Margaret Macdonald’s Rapture Chart,” “Pretrib Rapture’s Missing Lines,” “Edward Irving is Unnerving,” “The Unoriginal John Darby,” “Catholics Did NOT Invent the Rapture,” “The Real Manuel Lacunza,” “Thomas Ice (Bloopers),” “Wily Jeffrey,” “The Rapture Index (Mad Theology),” “America’s Pretrib Rapture Traffickers,” “Roots of (Warlike) Christian Zionism,” “Scholars Weigh My Research,” “Pretrib Hypocrisy,” “Appendix F: Thou Shalt Not Steal,” “Pretrib Rapture Secrecy,” “Deceiving and Being Deceived,” “Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty,” “Famous Rapture Watchers,” and “Morgan Edwards’ Rapture View” – most by the author of the bestselling book “The Rapture Plot” (the most accurate and documented book on pretrib rapture history which is obtainable by calling 800.643.4645).

    / the foregoing spied on the exciting, informative web. /

    • Good post Shelby,You have been taught well. The two witnesses against the Devil must happen first. All true Christians need to know this fact.

      The Devil doers kill them, these two witnesses lay dead in the street for 3 days. After 3 days they rise, in the blink of an eye, We all change back into spirit form, here on earth.

      In that second of a minute,of our time,Jesus appears with his mighty army. This is the begining of the LORD’s DAY. We will be taught correctly by Jesus the Christ/ Yahshua. We will be in school, for one day.

      The master, our only true LORD will set things right. 1-800-643-4645 should be called by every true Christian. The mark of the Beast lesson is your first lesson to get.

      Once the ones that still need to understand the Devil’s Method of Operation, They’ll understand the Devil’s four hidden Dynasties. GOD has allowed the Devil to decieve many people.

      The Devil’s rein on most people will end shortly. Stay stedfast until the LORD’s DAY.

      This is the last generation for sure, we are living in an exciting time. Stay stedfast everyone.

      Shelby, I’m glad to have you as a brother/sister in Jesus the Christ. The seed line of the eight day man,Adam and Eve, will Trimph over the seed line of Satan, for sure. Jesus/Yahsua will crush the head of the Serpent as it is written.

      This forum has good Bible students. May GOD continue to Bless us all and keep our lamps bright.

  3. Am done with this website. Same goes for the rest of the social websites. They are being used to gather intelligence on each of us. Cognitive intelligence is being used to manipulate and control human beings. Disinformation, misinformation, rumors, lies, half-truths, etc are being generated as feedback. People don’t realize how they are being controlled! I’m out of here!

  4. Kevin Moore | April 7, 2013 at 3:09 pm |


    Michael Hoffman on Usury and Why Christians Must Avoid It.

  5. jill wright | April 2, 2013 at 5:48 pm |

    Evolution, human evolution, evolution of the soul, and not the mechanical ‘evolution’ we tend to think of cannot happen mechanically. One can’t become conscious unconsciously.
    Believing will do you no good, no matter how noble the belief seems to be. Evolution of the human soul requires much labor and sacrifice. Lead cannot be turned into gold simply be believing and hoping, it requires transmutation in the fires. In this case fire is a friction produced between the inner struggle, between the ‘yes’ and the ‘no’. This is an inner struggle against sleep. We must awaken, as Jesus himself stated many times. Unfortunately people misunderstand this.
    Find yourself a teacher and learn how to work on yourself. There is a ‘flood’ coming soon.

    • The prophets and apostles understood that the only Way for a human soul to “change”, or “evolve” as you put it, is for that person to be “born anew”. Simply, if a person was truly sincere in their desire to be forgiven, and believed in Jesus as The Christ, the LORD GOD would send the “Holy Spirit”, also called the “Counselor”, who would enter that persons soul and replace the carnal “spirit” which controls the human way of thinking. Transformation of a humans way of thinking to that of the Divine Way of thinking would then take place.

  6. Kevin Moore | March 27, 2013 at 12:33 pm |

    MYSTERY BABYLON, religious and economic

    Physical slavery requires people to be housed and fed, economic slavery requires people to feed and house themselves.

    Ham also fathered Cush [Chaos], Genesis 9:18 who fathered Nimrod, the founder of Mystery Babylon. Ham, the son of Noah, BROTHER of Shem and Japheth.

    { “After the Flood, in the days of Eber and Phaleg, when the first city and the tower were built, Nembroth [Nimrod] was the first to gather people together and exercise dominion over them.” { [S.Epiphan.Hares.,lib.i,c.i,p.6.]
    { New York City is defined in the Federal Regulations as the United Nations. Rudolph Gulliani stated on C-Span that “New York City was the capital of the World” and he was correct.
    { (20 CFR chapter 111, subpart 422.103 (b) (2) (2)
    { The Popes Palace [Pope from Latin papa, literally “father”, Matthew 23:9] is built on Vatican Hill, an old grave yard called a necropolis.

    ‘Vatican Hill’ in english gematria = 666 as does ‘New York’, the home of the Jewish owned United Nations. [Jeremiah 51:42-44] [ a = 6; b = 12; c = 18 and so on]

    Vatican Hill in Jewish gematria =911 , in simple gematria =111

    Revelation 13:18, “Here is wisdom. The one having reason let him count the number of the brutish man for belonging to man the number is. And the number of himself is 666.” [ literal Greek ]

    It is not by Christs authority that those who claim to be descended from Shem, call themselves Jews and universal Popes and assume the right to have dominon over all other peoples and nations.
    Mark 10:42-45 — It is Nimrods usurped authority!

    Matthew 20:25-28, “But having called them, Jesus said, You know that the rulers of the nations exercise lordship over them, and the great ones exercise authority over them, but it will not be so among you, but whoever would become great among you, let him be your servant. And whoever desires to be first among you, let him be your slave; even as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life in place for the many.”

    Nimrod was set up in opposition to Shem, as the representative of Noah, and the great enlightener of the world and so began the pagan creed of the SUN god. Canon law is the Popes law. Note the Sun halos around the “saints” heads.

  7. Ernesto,
    I find what you said in your last message fascinating, thank you.
    I have some very similar understandings/convictions and am doing all I can to live by them.
    The whole trust issue with those who worship satan is going to be a problem given that we are to always be bringing the light and love of Yahshua to this lost world. However our discernment will be the key to our not being deceived.
    Practicing discernment (listening to and obey the Lord Yahshua) at all times, especially now is a must. For our glorious leader is leading and preparing His victory in the presence of His enemy and the enemy can do nothing about, and in some cases cannot even see it.
    Practicing living by the Spirit in every moment is a must, and it’s doable. The Holy Spirit will have everything setup for the work He is doing on the earth, His family must remain disciplined and faithful.
    Living together in a loving family, sharing, helping, living out our divine call unto the glory of the Yahshua, is what will cause us to know His will and accomplish His works on this earth in these most exciting of days!
    The ministries of apostle, prophet, evangelist, shepherd and teacher are as alive today as they were in the early family of God. They are ministering in power, and great love they are working among His people in ways that reveal Yahshua’s desire to them. The family of God was chosen to display the multi-faceted wisdom of God to the darkness as we are destroying them for an eternity!
    Yahshua, the son of the living God is Lord over all, and will show Himself faithful to His own word!

  8. The United Nation will establish the full one world order system for the Devil. Satan uses these world leader representatives to accomplish this task. This tool has been used by Satan since it was formed to accomplish this one goal, A complete control of human beings. This is the beast that comes form the sea. The word (sea) is used by God, because it is a word that we humans understand it as meaning a large body, as in massive. God also uses the words (sand ) – ( stars ) to refer to the humans. The word barley,wheat refer to God’s children and tares refer to Satan’s children. Barley /first fruits are the people that lived and died before Yashuah /Jesus was here on earth as human. Wheat/last fruits are the people that lived and died after Jesus died on the cross, We humans form the generations of Adam and Eve and even the six day human races Greeks, Chinese, Blacks and Indians form the country India that, are still living today are the wheat that will have to be sifted. The Tares that died before Jesus was here as human, are Satan’s first fruits. There are many Tares still alive among us today, These Kenite tribes are Satan’s last fruits. They will continue to infiltrate us wheat form the generation of Adam and Eve and the other six day human/races creation. This destruction/confusion is Satan’s main goal. This will be until the end of Satan’s reign here on earth. The locust time here on earth. This locust time frame is only six months time span. God has shorten Satan’s reign time here on earth.GOD has shorten Satan’s time for the sake of the elite. It is no longer the seven years period, nor is it three and half years, as many believe, because they over look the Locust time lesson. As to the subject of enough oil for your lamp, what this means is that one must have the true knowledge of the word of God and to be prepare to substain yourself with food and drinking water to last this six months period.There will not be a pretribultion- rapture. When Satan is here on earth pretending to be god,one will not be able to buy or sell anything if you have not gotten Satan’s mark. What is Satan’s mark? One that does Satan’s work and worship Satan, Has the mark of the Beast. 666 is the Satan’s mark. He is the only entity that has the title for this mark. It is not stamped on him. It’s burned marked on him. It refers to a time period here on earth for him to rule as god. His reign here on earth is a short period time span. Satan will come as a gentle lamb, and devour many as a wolf. He will not be eating flesh like a wolf, what this means is that, he wants as many of our souls as possible to join him in eternal death. He has used many identities and people before and he will use many identities and people when he is here on earth in defacto. If you are a true warrior for the True GOD, meaning you have learned and have shared your knowledge with others you will be protected form Satan and his workers by GOD. It is good to know Satan’s method of operation. Share this information with as many people that will listen to the truth of GOD’S word, This is the sword of GOD. So, people be prepare with drinking water and enough food for you and the people that will be with you in that six months period. Our money currency that, we use to today will not be used at that time. So you better have something to barter with. Gold and silver will be the currency used at that time. If you are smart, you may be able to use someone that is worshipping Satan to get what you may need, But you will run the risk that person will turn you in to Satan. So people be careful with whom you have dealings with.It would be better for one to chose to pass away form hunger than worship Satan. At least you will save your soul that way. A lot of Bible teaching has been shared by others here on this comment section,some of it is true,and some of it is not true. Remember that GOD has given Satan full control of the four hidden Dynasties Systems,1,Education, 2,Government, 3,Economy,and the Church. Satan has used these systems very well to deceive many people. Stay strong ,well and may GOD Bless you all.

    • That the UN is an antichrist organization is obvioius to those with discernment. However, there are “many” involved in antichrist activities. Those seeking to link humanity together in a “global community”, under the control of anthropomorphic “godlike” artificial intelligence, to create the “global brain” are “of the spirit of antichrist” as well. Artificial intelligence “autonomous agents” are everywhere in use today in modern society. They make decisions for humans, from the simple to the complex. They even create responses to posts like those on this website, and on others. For more information on this all of you might want to go to this website:


  9. Yet again, more interesting information. Am aware of many of these ancient teachings. However, the “serpent” is very clever. The “serpent” resides incarnate in fallen human kind. The “serpent” is “lord of the life principle”, the “Great Invisible Serpent”. The “serpent” is, on the human level, the “symbol of the soul and libido.” The “serpent” is one of, if not the, “most important archtypes of the human soul.” The first “beast” rises out of the “sea”, the “sea” being the “image of the unconscious”, hidden in the imaginations of carnal humanity. From the “sea” a “beast”, hidden in the unconscious, is to “rise”, to be created, linking together all carnal humanity into a “global brain”. Hmmm? What could this be? Those who become an integrated part of “it” will be ruled by “it”, and in fact, there are “many” who already are.

  10. Kevin Moore | March 26, 2013 at 4:50 am |

    Google: Christian Jewish Boston College

    The Royal Snake, p.228 The Two Babylons

    “……….In the chapter under consideration, the “great fiery serpent” is represented with all the emblems of royalty. All its heads are encircled with “crowns or diadems”; and so in Egypt, the serpent of fire, or serpent of the sun, in Greek was called the Basilisk, that is, the”royal serpent”, to identify it with Moloch, which name, while it recalls the ideas both of fire and blood, properly signifies “the king”. The Basilisk was always among the Egyptians, and among many nations besides, regarded as the very type of “majesty and dominion”.As such its image was worn affixed to the head dress of the Egyptian monarchs; and it was not lawful for anyone else to wear it. The Sun identified with this serpent was called “P’ouro”,which signifies at once “the fire” and “the king”, and from this very name the epithet “Purros,the Fiery”, is given to the “great seven crowned serpent” of our text……………………….”

    Thus was the Sun, the Great Fire-God, identified with the serpent. But he also had a human representative, and that was Tammuz, for whom the daughters of Israel lamented, in other words NIMROD.” [ Jer. 51:34, Rev.20:2, Gen.3:1, Rom 1:23]

    Latin Basilica, Greek Basilic, “A King”. “Anciently a public hall or court of judicature where princes and magistrates sit to administer justice. It was a large hall, with aisles, porticoes, tribunes,and tribunals. The bankers also had a part allotted for their residence. These edifices at first, were the palaces of princes, afterwards courts of justice, and finally converted into churches. Hence basilica now signifies a church, chapel, cathedral or royal palace.” [Websters 1828 dictionary]

    “Basilisk” Websters 1828 dictionary, 1. “A fabulous serpent, called a cockatrice and said to be produced from a cocks egg brooded by a serpent. The ancients alledged that its hissing would drive away all other serpents, and that its breath and even its look was fatal. Some writers suppose that a real serpent exists under this name.” The irish called the cockatrice riogh – nathair, the “king-serpent”, answering to basilisk.

    All the different pagan gods are just different manifestations of Nimrod and his wife.

    Lateinos and Saturn are synonymous. TTB p.270

    Saturn/Nimrod, is the name of the SNAKES visible head. [The Two Babylons, pages 239 and 274-77] Teitan is the name of the invisible head of the SNAKE [Strongs 2342, a

    venomous dangerous animal Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9 ]. Teitan is just the Chaldean form of Sheitan, the very name by which Satan has been called from time immemorial by the Devil-worshippers of Kurdistan;…..”

    “The dragon of the Greeks says Pausanius was only a large snake.” TTB p226 [translated variously as a whale, a beast, a fiery serpent, a jackal, a sea monster etc]

    “………Thus was the Sun, the Great Fire – god, identified with the serpent. But he also had a visible human representative, and that was Tammuz, for whom the daughters of Israel lamented, in other words NIMROD.” TTB p.228

    From “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion” excerpt from Protocol 3. “Today I tell you that our goal is only a few steps off. There remains a small space to cross and the whole long path we have trodden is ready now to close its cycle of the Symbolic Snake, by which we symbolise our people.”

    (Protocol 4)”………Gentile masonry blindly serves as a screen for us and our objects, but the plan of action of our force, even its very abiding place, remains for the whole people an unknown mystery…. Who and what is in a position to overthrow an invisible force?”

  11. Kevin Moore | March 25, 2013 at 2:28 am |

    Have you ever looked at the hat the Pope [Papa-Father] wears? It represents the fish god Dagon – the beast from the sea. the Pope represents the Merman. Here are some other clues —

    Definition for roman law:

    Common name for CANON LAW — a forgery first formed by the ROMAN CULT in the 11th Century claiming certain fictitious ancient Roman maxims and precedents which falsely place the ROMAN CULT above all secular LAW. Deliberately and falsely claimed by COURTS subservient to CURIA of the ROMAN CULT as pertaining to ancient Roman Empire Laws. The main
    procedural foundations of the false Roman Law was VENETIAN LAW (more commonly known as MARITIME LAW and/or ADMIRALTY LAW) introduced in the 12th and early 13th Century during the creation of the highest legal PERSONALITY under COMMON LAW –the HOLY SEE (Sea). Hence, under the corrupted Roman Law of the ROMAN CULT living men and women are considered VESSELS subject to JURISDICTION of the SEE (Sea) with the WATERMARK of all nations with diplomatic recognition (CONCORDATS) of the SEE (Sea) set at the highest mountain peaks–hence all land is therefore “Under the Sea” and PROPERTY of the SEE (Sea). Few genuine maxims of Roman Law survive into present day COMMON LAW.

    • Interesting, but this doesn’t apply to what is going on today with the rapid developments in electronic technologies. The second “beast” in Rev. 13, RSV, causes all to be marked on the right hand or forehead, and without this mark people cannot buy or sell. Electronic tattoo technology already exists that could be used to mark individuals so as to verify who they are by their electrical brainwaves which are unique to each individual. This technology would also allow input from cognitive intelligence and its agents. You’ll note that both the first and second beast are described as “it” or “its”, not “he” or “him”.

  12. There are two beasts spoken of by the prophet John in the true versions of the Holy Bible. RSV, 1952 is one such version. Those who make up this first “beast” are concerned only with the desires, or “passions” of the “flesh”. The “flesh” is opposed to the Spirit. It is “prone to sin”. Why? Because it is controlled by a “diabolical force dwelling in the human body, the DEVIL, incarnate.” The “flesh” is described as the “enemy” of the Holy Spirit”. It is an “untamed and untameable beast.” The first “beast” rises up out of the collective imaginations, “the sea”, of carnal humanity to take shape in the form of a technocratic “global” governmental and economic system. It has been taking shape for some time now. Do you see it?

  13. [Howdy, Old-Thinker. Found this shorty on the wild web.]

    The Real Morgan Edwards

    by George Wilson

    In 1995, in a 24-page booklet on 18th century pastor Morgan Edwards, evangelist John Bray claimed that Edwards taught a pretrib rapture in his 1788 book titled “Two Academical Exercises….”
    Those echoing Bray include Thomas Ice who wrote “Morgan Edwards: Another Pre-Darby Rapturist.” Edwards’ 1788 work can be found on the internet.
    In order to claim that Edwards held to pretrib, candidates for the I-can-find-pretrib-earlier-in-church-history-than-you-can medal – including Bray, Ice, LaHaye, Frank Marotta etc. – have intentionally covered up Edwards’ “historicism,” his belief that the tribulation had already been going on for hundreds of years. (How can anyone in the tribulation go back in time and look for a pretrib rapture?)
    Here’s proof of Edwards’ historicism and its companion “day-year” theory which can view the 1260 tribulation “days” as “years.”
    On p. 14 Edwards described the Ottoman Empire (which was then already 400 years old) as the Rev. 13:11 “beast.” On p. 20 he defined “Antichrist” as the already 1000-year-old “popery” and the “succession of persons” known as “Popes” – his other Rev. 13 “beast.” He necessarily viewed Rev. 13’s 1260-day period as 1260 literal years in order to provide enough time for his two “beasts.”
    On p. 19, while discussing “the ministry of the witnesses” of Rev. 11, he allotted “about 204 years” for their “years to perform” – years impossible to fit into a 3.5-year period!
    What about Edwards’ rapture? On pp. 21-23 he wrote about “the appearing of the son of man in the clouds, coming to raise the dead saints and change the living, and to catch them up to himself….The signs of Christ’s appearing in the clouds will be extraordinary ‘wars and rumors of wars, earthquakes and famines,’ &. (Matth. xxiv. 6-8.)….The signs of his coming, in the heavens will be ‘the trump of God [I Thess. 4:16], vapor and smoke, which will darken the sun and moon [Matt. 24:29],’…and also cause those meteors called ‘falling stars’….
    Right after his combined rapture/advent (!), Edwards said: “And therefore, now, Antichrist…will…counterfeit the preceding wonders in heaven…causing ‘fire to come down from heaven’….And that godhead he will now assume, after killing the two witnesses….Now the great persecution of the Jews will begin…for time, times, and half a time….”
    Thomas Ice’s article on Edwards (see first par. above) quoted only the first 27 words in the above quotation, ending with “to himself.” This sort of unethical revisionism is constantly employed by many pretrib defenders.
    Not only had most of Edwards’ historicist tribulation occurred before his combined rapture/advent, but his Antichrist kept raging for 3.5 years even after the Matt. 24 signs! No wonder his tutor advised him to correct his thesis!
    To read Edwards’ complete work, Google “[PDF] Two Academical Exercises…www.breadoflifebiblestudy.com.”
    For more info on Edwards, Google “McPherson Page” (click on a reproduction of “Cover-Ups”). Also Google “Deceiving and Being Deceived” by historian Dave MacPherson.

  14. It is required to properly divide the word of truth, as Paul tells Timothy. I used to be a Pre-tribulation rapture guy, and then I went to the extreme and was completely Post-Tribulation rapture only. But the Lord Jesus led me to a greater understanding of the whole “rapture”. It is typified in the Old Testament through the Jewish harvests. Firstfruits harvest (or Barely harvest), the Wheat harvest, and the vintage grapes. The Lord tells us that we should pray to escape these things. Some will escape them, if they are found worthy to escape Luke 21:36. This is the Firstfruits Barely harvest. The adverse of that it must be true as well, that some will not be found worthy to escape. These are the Wheat, who need to be sifted and brought to the Tribulum board, to be separated from the husk. There is proper division that is required when looking at the Word of God once again, and seeing the differences typified in the Old Testament is essential to understanding books like Revelation, which encompasses the whole of the Word. It can be summed up like this: many baby Christians are trying to handle the Word like mature adults, yet they have to go through the proper steps of growth in order to truly understand. In other words, trying to understand the book of Revelation is like doing Real analysis or Quantum Physics, which are extremely high forms of Math that requires a mastering of the basic functions of the most basic equation. So most are trying solve these complex problems without even understanding that 1+1=2, or 2×3=6, etc. Issues like the “Rapture” are first of all not simple to grasp, unless you have understood the basic Jewish Typology. Second, it is essential to Hope for the return of our Lord, and look to escape these things which are coming. This may be a different concept for some, but it truly helped me, and I pray it helps you.

    Authors to check out are Robert Govett, G.H. Lang, G.H. Pember, D.M. Panton. These were all very wise men, especially concerning this subject.

    Here is a link to one of G.H. Lang’s books, that helped me grow immensely. http://themillennialkingdom.org.uk/FirstbornSonsTheirRightsAndRisks.htm

    Blessings to you all in Christ Jesus

  15. the wound you see first will be to his right arm . then his eye , then head – something will be gone – and in that midst a people who have there lamps and oil watching at the door will escape all that’s coming on the earth , but be right in the middle of it all – so sing new songs of truth so bright the words become a delight ,that both enjoy and both have hearts desires found the very sound become light – as a arrow full of quivers

  16. Time and Judgment

    Re 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

    Re 14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

    Re 14:16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

    This is prophesy of Jesus Christ returning for his saints in the clouds. This time is still future tense.

    1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

    1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

    This is not the end of man upon the earth.

    Mt 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

    Mt 24:41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

    Lu 17:36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

    Now most all of Gods people are taught to think and believe that this is the last event on earth to affect them and they need not be concerned because Christ is coming back. It is true the last event on this earth to affect the saints is the return of Christ but it’s not the next event. The next event to affect the believers on this earth is recorded in a chapter before the prophesy of the return of Christ in revelations 13.

    Re 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

    The key to understanding chapter 13 is knowing who or what the beast is. Some say the beast is a super human being. Others say the beast is the devil and his number is 666. The last verse of this chapter gives the answer.

    Re 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

    If you were to call the beast his number is 666 and man would be the one to answer. The beast is man or mankind. Lets look at more prophesy concerning the same time period given unto Daniel.

    Da 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

    The fourth kingdom upon earth is the fourth a final kingdom of mankind. It’s mans dominion, mans kingdom, mans governance of this earth. Lately its been called a “one world government” or a “new world order” God calls it a beast.

    Now this fourth kingdom upon earth, which will be governed by men, shall start out with ten kings. When you see a world government set up with ten kings know that this beast will have risen. This will become important later.

    Da 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

    Global governance will begin with ten kings but later the structure of its leadership will be changed. Knowing whom the beast is we can go back to verse two of chapter 13 in the book of revelations and begin to understand more details about this final kingdom to be ruled by man upon this earth.

    Re 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

    Like a leopard, feet of a bear, mouth of a lion are all figures of speech. To keep it simple lets just look at other ways God uses these in a figure of speech.

    Jer 5:6 Wherefore a lion out of the forest shall slay them, and a wolf of the evenings shall spoil them, a leopard shall watch over their cities:

    The leopard shall watch over their cities.

    Ho 13:7 Therefore I will be unto them as a lion: as a leopard by the way will I observe them:

    As a leopard will I observe them. The beast like unto a leopard is a kingdom under surveillance.

    Ho 13:8 I will meet them as a bear that is bereaved of her whelps, and will rend the caul of their heart, and there will I devour them like a lion: the wild beast shall tear them.

    “As a bear bereaved of her whelps rending”. The feet of a bear is a path of destruction. God has said that this kingdom, the beast, shall devour the whole earth, and tread it down, and break it in pieces.

    2Sa 17:8 …, thou knowest thy father and his men, that they be mighty men, and they be chafed in their minds, as a bear robbed of her whelps in the field: and thy father is a man of war, and will not lodge with the people.

    The word chafed in this verse comes from the Hebrew word marah and is used 38 times in the bible. Only once is it translated into the English word chafed, one time as angry, one time as discontented, and one time as heavy. All other times it’s translated into the English word bitter.

    Ex 15:23 And when they came to Marah, they could not drink of the waters of Marah, for they were bitter: therefore the name of it was called Marah.

    The beast with the feet as of a bear is the kingdom of man. Whose men of war are taught to be bereaved and become bitterly angry and move with destruction. This kingdom will be subdued by force. Man calls it an iron fist. God calls it “feet as of a bear”.

    Re 10:3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.

    The mouth of the lion represents the voice of the kingdom as being the dominant voice. This battle can be seen in evolution verses creation. Evolution is the word of man. Creation is the word of god. The mouth of the lion roared and creation in no longer taught in the schools were we get our daily education. It’s controlled speech and controlled thought. This Nations first colleges like Harvard, Yale, and over a hundred others were all built with the intent to teach the rightly divided word of truth from the King James Bible.

    Re 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

    Now that we understand the nature of the beast we can move on to the dragon that gave the beast his seat. The word seat comes from the Greek word thronos and is translated into the English word throne 54 out of the 61 times it’s used.

    Re 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

    Here in chapter 12 we read that the dragon is the Devil and Satan. Since the devil is not the beast the devils number also is not 666. The beast is mankind and mans number is 666.

    Lu 4:5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

    Lu 4:6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.

    Lu 4:7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.

    The devil first offered this seat or this throne to Jesus Christ who turned it down. So he goes and gives it to the beast or mankind willing to sell out. All the kingdoms of the world given into the hands of mankind is world government. The subject matter of revelations 13 is the final kingdom to be established upon this earth before Christ reins in his kingdom with a new heaven and a new earth.

    Re 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

    When this beast of a kingdom becomes officially established with its ten kings it’s going to receive a deadly headshot wound. It’s what the word of God says, look at it. This is something the dragon is not telling the beast. The dragon is just using the beast to dominate the earth. The dragon knows the truth. If the beast knew that shortly after its kingdom was established it was going to become wounded to death. Then the men who make up this kingdom might hesitate ushering in their new world order.

    Re 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

    Re 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

    This is the time and judgment. The time is 42 months after man achieves his world kingdom given unto him by Satan. The judgment is a deadly wound to the head. We have not yet seen this beast rise but we can begin to see it emerging. With its surveillance grid, military might and dominate voice. When the leopard sees something the mouth of the lion is going to say something and the feet of the bear is going to enforce it. This is how the beast rolls.

    Now the question must be answered as to how the beast is wounded. The answer can be found in the 14th verse of this chapter.

    Re 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

    The beast which had the wound by a sword. So what is the sword?

    Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

    The sword of the spirit is the word of God. The only thing that is going to shut down world government is the word of God. Not only is it the only thing but also God says it’s going to happen 42 months after it begins.

    Ac 19:20 So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed.

    Look! If the church was manifesting the spirit of God and rightly dividing the word of truth there would be no need for a revival. Truth is there is not one church that does. We are living in the same kind of times as spoken of in Jeremiah chapter 5 when God tells Jeremiah to find just one man who rightly divides the truth and practically applies it.

    Jer 5:1 Run ye to and fro through the streets of Jerusalem, and see now, and know, and seek in the broad places thereof, if ye can find a man, if there be any that executeth judgment, that seeketh the truth; and I will pardon it.

    God goes on to warn Jeremiah that though they say they do, surely they don’t.

    Jer 5:2 And though they say, The LORD liveth; surely they swear falsely.

    So it is today. All the churches say that they seek the truth but they don’t. If they did there would be no division.

    Ac 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

    Noble Christians search the scriptures daily. Many Christians can say they search the web daily or they search the channels on TV daily. Some could even say they search the paper daily but very few will say they search the scriptures daily. This is because your not being taught how to search the scriptures. Anybody can read the word of God but how many can search the scriptures for specific truth on any given subject? These noble Christians of Thessalonica first received the word. In order to receive the word someone has to teach it.

    2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

    There shall be false teachers among you. Hear what the word of the God says? And there are false teachers everywhere. False teachers can be easily identified by three men in the bible. Eliphaz, Bildad, and Zophar from the book of Job. Eliphaz reasoned with Job according to his experience.

    Job 4:8 Even as I have seen, they that plow iniquity, and sow wickedness, reap the same.

    Eliphaz tried to convince Job based upon his experience that Job must have done something wrong or all of Jobs calamity wouldn’t have happened. This is the person who stands up and reads a verse or two from the bible and then proceeds to validate those verses by experiences.

    Bildad reasons with Job based upon the traditions of men.

    Job 8:8 For enquire, I pray thee, of the former age, and prepare thyself to the search of their fathers:

    Zophar reasoned with Job by human merit. These three men tried to reason righteous by their experiences, traditions, and good deeds. A true teacher will reason righteousness by the word of God.

    Lu 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

    This is speaking of Jesus Christ who was teaching two men along the way. He began at Moses and traced through the bible by memory all the sections of scripture concerning himself and gave the understanding of them.

    Ac 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

    Paul’s manner was to “reason” using the scriptures. This is the same manner of a true teacher.

    2Co 4:5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus’ sake.

    Take this blueprint of a teacher and look around you. Flip through the channels on your TV and see if you can spot Eliphaz, Bildad, and Zophar. They’ll be the ones singing the song. Me myself, myself and I just me myself and I.

    Jer 5:30 A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land;

    Jer 5:31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?

    The priest bear rule by their own means. By their experiences, and traditions, and human merit, and not by the word of God. This and the prophets prophesying falsely is a horrible thing. The wonderful thing, which is not wonderful. The word in its Hebrew form means astonishing appalment. The astonishment is “my people love to have it so”. God’s people love it when the leaders of the church are not doing the will of God. This is astonishing.

    and what will ye do in the end thereof?

    What happens to a nation of Gods people who go in and possess a land and become fat off the land delighting themselves in the great goodness of God?

    Ne 9:24 So the children went in and possessed the land, and thou subduedst before them the inhabitants of the land, the Canaanites, and gavest them into their hands, with their kings, and the people of the land, that they might do with them as they would.

    Ne 9:25 And they took strong cities, and a fat land, and possessed houses full of all goods, wells digged, vineyards, and oliveyards, and fruit trees in abundance: so they did eat, and were filled, and became fat, and delighted themselves in thy great goodness.

    Ne 9:26 Nevertheless they were disobedient, and rebelled against thee, and cast thy law behind their backs, and slew thy prophets which testified against them to turn them to thee, and they wrought great provocations.

    Ne 9:27 Therefore thou deliveredst them into the hand of their enemies, who vexed them: and in the time of their trouble, when they cried unto thee, thou heardest them from heaven; and according to thy manifold mercies thou gavest them saviours, who saved them out of the hand of their enemies.

    Ne 9:28 But after they had rest, they did evil again before thee: therefore leftest thou them in the hand of their enemies, so that they had the dominion over them: yet when they returned, and cried unto thee, thou heardest them from heaven; and many times didst thou deliver them according to thy mercies;

    Many times have the people of God delighted themselves in his great goodness and then became complacent. Only to have their enemies triumphant over them. Then when the distress, the affliction, and vexation become too much. They cry to God and he hears them and delivers them.

    So shall it be again sometime during the process of this beast rising up Gods people are going to be humbled and turn their hearts to him.

    Ps 107:20 He sent his word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions.

    God is going to send his word and heal the church from its astonishing behavior. This word that God sends is the sword that wounds the beast 42 months after it makes its first appearance.

    • Have something for you and others to consider.

      “And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, with ten diadems upon its horns and a blasphemous name upon its heads.”

      Revelation 13:1,RSV 1952

      The IEEE is organized into:

      10 geographic regions (ten horns)

      7 technical councils (seven heads)

      10 technical divisions (ten diadems)

      Sure matches the description of a “beast rising out of the sea” just as it is written in Revelation 13, RSV, 1952.

  17. Kevin, It’s good that you are familiar with the writing of John and Paul. You should understand Ezekiel. The first chapters speak of our ROCK /GOD and His thrown. Ezekiel tells us of GOD very well. He explains the way it was and what it will be like at the end of of time. GOD could have gotten rid of Satan and the fallen angels that followed him in that first age. Satan, started the great separation against God. It continues still. One third of GOD’S children/angels followed Satan. He is the only one that will die eternally. God made us human to test all of His children. GOD has the upper hand. GOD is testing us, to see which way we will go. It is written, that GOD wins this fight. The question to us is: will you stand with GOD or Satan? Paul, was helping to kill the first Christians. He was considered a murderer by GOD. Paul repented, as we should. GOD will use anyone, that He chooses to see that His word comes to be as it is written. GOD knows very well what’s in our heart/mind. What we see happening today, must come to pass it is written. Ezekiel explains of the four Horns sitting on the alters, these Horns are hidden in broad daylight, these are the Dynasties that GOD allowed Satan to have complete control of in our time. The alters, are controlled by mostly four powerful nations and their allies. We should and must understand these facts. GOD will use whom ever His chooses to see that His word comes to be as it is written. We should be soldiers for the only one GOD. It’s very important for us to understand the Old Testament and the book of Revelation. Whom ever tells you that the Old Testaments are no longer in effect and that you don’t need to worry about what is written in the book of Revelation, Is doing the works of the Devil. GOD wants us to understand, what He expects from us. GOD made us for His pleasure. The question to us is: What have we done to pleasure him? One thing for sure that will pleasure Him, is that we study his word with full comprehension. Kevin, There is no ( J ) in the Hebrew language, It’s a (Y ) Yahavah is the correct spelling. Some people use a (W ) instead of a ( V ) They are incorrect. YAHAVAH-Pronounced ( YA VA ). Meaning- I Am that I AM. For ever He will be. Stay well and Steadfast everyone. Kevin, That’s all for me,Let others also have the board.Stay well Brother. GOD will BLESS us then.

  18. Kevin Moore | March 8, 2013 at 10:58 pm |

    Matthew 12:30, Jesus said “He who is not with Me is against Me…..”
    Matthew 6:24, Jesus said “No man can Serve two masters…”
    Ephesians 6:12, “….because we are not wrestling against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against authorities, against the rulers of this world, of the darkness of this age, against the spiritual [powers] of wickedness in the heavenly.”
    Ephesians 5:8-9, “….but we being of day should be sober, having put on the breastplate of faith and love, and the hope salvation as a helmet; because God has not appointed us to wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ……..”
    Isaiah 9:15 “The elder and the lifted of face, he is the head; and the prophet teaching lying, he is the tail.”

    Revelation 9:19 “For their authority is in their mouth and in their tails, for the tails of them have heads like snakes and together possessed violate law.”

    From “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion” excerpt from Protocol 3. “Today I tell you that our goal is only a few steps off. There remains a small space to cross and the whole long path we have trodden is ready now to close its cycle of the Symbolic Snake, by which we symbolise our people.”

    (Protocol 4)”………Gentile masonry blindly serves as a screen for us and our objects, but the plan of action of our force, even its very abiding place, remains for the whole people an unknown mystery…. Who and what is in a position to overthrow an invisible force?”

    Exodus 15:3 “Jehovah is a Man of war:Jehovah is his name.”
    Revelation:17:14, “These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of Lords and King of Kings, and those with him are the called and elect and faithful ones.”

  19. Kevin, thank you for this site’s article on this issue.This more proof of the Devil’s tight grip on Government here in the USA and this is all over the world. Good looking out,This is very important information for all of us here in this country.It’s sad that the main stream media will not cover this info, I ‘m not at odd with you on this issue. This is all of the doings of The Anti-Christ. Thanks again Kevin. GOD BLESS YOU.

    • Kevin Moore | March 8, 2013 at 5:31 pm |



      A literal translation of John 1:1-2, “In the chief beginning was held the Word, and the Word was held by the side of God,and God held charge of the Word.[2] This Lone Charge was in the chief beginning by the side of His God.” Matthew 8:8-13

      Matthew 8:8-9, “……. And answering the centurion said, Lord, I am not worthy that You should enter under my roof, but only speak a word and my child will be healed. FOR I ALSO AM A MAN UNDER AUTHORITY………………………………”

      Romans 13:1-10 The Apostle Paul –the Paraclete, [John 14:16-17; 14:25-26; 15:26-27; 16:7-15] ——- “Every soul to authorities higher be subject to. For there is no authority if not from God. Wherefore the existing authorities under me having been ordained by God are; so the one resisting the authority of Gods ordinance has opposed those, and having opposed, will receive the judgement to themselves…………….to no one nothing owe, except to love one another, for by loving the other, the Law has been fulfilled —–For: Do not commit adultery; do not murder; do not steal; do not bear false witness; do not have an impure desire; and if any other commandment, in this word it is summed up: You shall love the neighbour of you as yourself. Love to the neighbour evil does not work; fulfillment then of law is love.”

      Proverbs 23:1-4, “When you sit down to eat with a ruler, look carefully at what is before you; and put a knife to your throat if you are a possessor of a soul. Do not desire his delicacies, for it is the bread of lies.

      Mark 10:42-45, “…..But Jesus having called them near, said to them, You know that those seeming to rule the nations lord it over them, and the great ones of them exercise authority over them. But not so is it to be among you; for whoever desires to be great among you shall be your servant and whoever of you desires to become first shall be the slave of all. For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve to give the soul of Him a ransom for many.”

      Romans 12:1-2 “Therefore brothers, I call on you through the mercies of God to present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, pleasing to God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this age, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind,in order to prove by you what is the good and pleasing and perfect will of God.”

  20. Have read most of the posts on this subject and find it strange that most people don’t understand basic principles and definitions of words. Democracy is, and has been in the past, a form of government in which “supreme power” is assigned to MAN, not GOD. Man, left to do his own carnal will, is destructive. Democracy was an invention of the Greek Empire. This Greecian philosophy was “theoretical”. It was reenvigorated during the “Enlightenment” era and was taught in the major colleges and universities of that time to many of the elites children who latter became leaders in the French Revolution and the American Revolution. This is real history, not something I made up.

    • Lance,you are on target there,Poor Kevin does not get the fact that the main reason of all of this corruption in Government is because the evil controls the Government. Stay well, Lance. You are on point with your comment. God will use you then,just like He is using now. Stay strong brother.

      • Kevin Moore | March 6, 2013 at 1:41 pm |

        And you voted for a democratic government?

        • Kevin, many people have realized now that they made a big error by doing so.I did not vote for this man. He did not get vote two times.Therefore I have not made an error/errors. You just made another error,or were you seeing if I would reveil That I made an error in judgement.I can sleep pretty good my friend. Stay steadfast.

        • Learned a long time ago that voting in the carnal human corrupt system is a waste of time. By voting in the corrupt system one is, in fact, an accomplice in the bu-SIN-ess of corruption. People are blind and deaf to the true nature of the carnal human system of government and economics, just as they are blind and deaf to their fallen carnal nature. There is only one Way to change that nature. Accept Jesus Christ for who he was and ask the Most High God to forgive you. If you’re sincere, then the Holy Spirit, the “Counselor”, enters your soul and removes the “veil” that keeps a carnal human being from understanding just how wicked carnal humanity is, and that person is “born anew”. The process of learning the Truth then begins.

  21. Kevin Moore | March 6, 2013 at 5:39 am |


    You say –

    “May GOD continue to bless us all in America”

    Watch this documentary and tell me in which God it is that America places its trust.

    “The War on Democracy” by John Pilger


  22. Kevin, It is a sad state of affair, that these battles occur. This activity must occur to end of time as we humans know it here on earth. When the nations proclaim peace, peace we must realize that there is no peace. We also must realize that the devil’s time here on earth in the facto is near. The Devil will come in peacefully. He will make one world order come to fruition, and there still will not be true peace. Satan wants as many of our souls that he can possibly take with him to eternal death. As we see these battles continue, We should realize that what is written of the truth, shall happen to the end of time here on earth. Certain written events have occurred already, and other certain events have not. We must be patient for the second coming of the true Rock/Yashuah/Jesus, to have true peace here on earth. God said to the serpent in: ( Genesis CH 3:15 , That he would put enmity between thee and the woman and thee seed and her seed. It shall bruise thy head and thou shalt bruise his heel ). The Heel part of this writing has happened. It was when Jesus, was crucified. The crushing of the head has not occur yet. The true Rock will take care of that event. Seth was Adam’s and Eve’s second man child. Eve and the serpent became enemies for ever. Cain and Able became at odds. Satan’s offspring was Cain. Cain’s seed line, the many tribes ( KENITES ) continues to be at odd with Seth’s seed line. It is written that all of these events would occur and shall continue to the very end of Satan’s reign here on earth. The end time is knocking on the door. America and her allies must battle Persia/Iran, China, Russia and all of the Kenites tribes that have influx those nations. The Eagle/America against The Bear/Russia has not truly occurred yet. We all must show patience. May GOD continue to bless us all in America, until these events come to pass. America, for the most part, is for the only true GOD. There is a saying here in America, ( IN GOD WE TRUST ).WE must continue this trust in GOD.

  23. Kevin Moore | March 5, 2013 at 3:18 pm |


    By their fruits you shall know them. America should learn the difference between good and evil. How can you call evil good?

  24. again the game of words be played ,disinformation its name ,and the river still does flow but many passengers have gone are overboard on there own accord – and the mountain still has the view that settles all dispute when it comes crashing down to pulverize

    • Joey, It’s going to be devastating to many when this occurs. When the true Rock says to them, that proclaimed to do His work and were not. It is written that GOD, will say to them, ( YOU ARE NOT OF MY ROCK ! ) ( I DON’T KNOW YOU! ). There will be many false teachers, that have seen that large P, in their dream and that have mistaken it to represent the word Preach, when it really meant Plow. We must plow in deep, to depth of the true word. There are many, that will hear those words.They are like reeds blowing in the wind. Do your best to not be part of that group. Stay Steadfast, GOD WILL BLESS YOU THEN.

  25. GOD’S children should learn what Jeremiah taught in chapters 12-17 these chapters teaches you about what would be occurring in the house of the LORD in these last days. Chapter 18 is the good news. He cleans his house by removing Ba’al worship. The LORD is warning all of us to not follow falseness. Be careful with whom you sit down to eat with. Some of the meals that is being offered now a days in many of the LORD houses might not be as good as what it appeared to be.

  26. Kevin Moore | March 3, 2013 at 8:23 pm |

    .”After the Flood, in the days of Eber and Phaleg, when the first city and the tower were built, Nembroth [Nimrod] was the first to gather people together and exercise dominion over them.” [S.Epiphan.Hares.,lib.i,c.i,p.6.]

    Proverbs 23:1-4, “When you sit down to eat with a ruler, look carefully at what is before you; and put a knife to your throat if you are a possessor of a soul. Do not desire his delicacies, for it is the bread of lies.

    Mark 10:42-45, “…..But Jesus having called them near, said to them, You know that those seeming to rule the nations lord it over them, and the great ones of them exercise authority over them. But not so is it to be among you; for whoever desires to be great among you shall be your servant and whoever of you desires to become first shall be the slave of all. For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve to give the soul of Him a ransom for many.”

  27. To Kevin, you are correct when you say that we Americans should consider very well before casting our votes. The problem in America is that the Kenties have a control in this country also. It becomes very difficult to exactly now to whom that vote should go towards. These Kenites, inflict harsh treatments to tribes of their own kind ,in order to keep this main conflict to continue. The clans there that hate, are of the Kenties. They are the one’s that hate Zionist, the Americas, Canada ,the United Kingdom, all of Europe and even Russia.. These Kenites clans influence the generations of Noah, They have been telling these generations of Noah’s (Iraq/Arabic, Egypt and Persia/ Iran) that GOD shows favor to Isaac’s generations only. Every one of these three sons of Noah were given their own lands with the riches that is in those lands. These Kenite’s teach this falseness to those that have no clue of the Kenites existences and their method of division in order to conquer. These Kenties don’t care about who dies. They thrive to keep this conflict going, at what ever cost, it’s in their nature. We all must remember that Cain killed Able. The Arabic’s that know the truth do not hate all Zionist nor do they hate all of Americans. The problem in the major Arabic countries, and in the Saxon’s lands is that the truth is not taught to their modern generations. The confusion excites all over this world, and it will not end until GOD removes their mastermind (Satan). Then, we all will have true peace. We should and must learn Satan’s method of operation. We must not rush the time that GOD has chosen for this removal of Satan. We are the watchmen/women, GOD and his angels will do the removal of Satan and his fallen angels. This will happen at the seventh Trump,Seal and veil. The human beings that are still a live at the sixth, will have to steadfast, go through ( Satan’s reign ) that locust time frame. There will be no Rapture, there will be a great gathering of those that were confused by Satan here on earth. Those cloud-air words that is mentioned in the Bible mean ( A large crowd of people, at their last breath of human life will be changed into angel bodies here on earth ). God will be touching his feet on earth after the sixth and we begin the Day with God. The Rapture is false teachings. The people that did not understand will be heading to the caves, cause of their shame. These are the Brides, that got pregnant. ( Impregnated of the mind by Satan’s lies ). We must teach this to our youth,or they will fall in Satan’s snares. Stay steadfast GOD will Bless you then.

  28. Kevin Moore | March 2, 2013 at 2:23 am |


    Layla Anwah in her blog says that Iraq as occupied by America is harsher than in a Zionist occupied country.

    Americans are very afficient at teaching the inhabitants of the Middle East to hate them.

    All those who vote give tacit consent to this deplorable situation.

  29. To Kevin, the battle that is going on today in this modern world, Is the same battle that was form the the day’s Able and Cain. We all must understand this fact. The Kenites have infiltrated the modern seeds of Adam and Eve all over this world. Today in this time that we are living, there is a Kenite tribe that controls the Dome in Israel. Yes, the most Holy of Holiest Place on earth is being controlled by a tribe of the Devil.

    One tribe of Cain is the Philistines/Palestines are there still today. It is not correct to say that all of Arabic/ Ishmael’s generation is evil, Just the same goes for the generation of yacob/Jacob. Yes, the tribes of these two men have been infiltrated by the seeds of the Cain. That’s why there is evil/bad things that accrue still in this world. Cain, was fathered by the Devil. Cain was not of Adam.

    The Devil’s method of operation is to to keep us confused. To keep this war going to the very end of his time. It is written that GOD will take care of the Tares /Kenites, when GOD sees the time is fit. God is a good Father, therefore he will correct his children. Have no fear, all will be corrected. One living today should understand of the four Hidden Dynasties that GOD has allowed the Devil to have complete control of here on earth.

    1,The Church system 2,The Government system 3,The Education system 4, The Economy system. Has anyone asked themselves just why is there so much corruption in these systems ? The answer, must be very clear to all now. The Devil, is allowed to have full control for the time being. GOD has given him these allotments until his very end of time. We should have our eyes wide open with clear focus and our ears clear of debris. GOD will Bless you then.

  30. Kevin Moore | March 1, 2013 at 4:01 am |

    “Love your enemies – do good to those who hate and despise you”


  31. To Kevin, This site that you show here,may confuse many people. Many Jews will fall Short at the second coming of our true Father.
    That seed that Father mentioned of Abraham was a reference to Isaac, Leading to Yacob/ Jacob/Israel, Leading to Yudah/Judah, Leading to King David, Leading to Jessie, Leading to Mary’s dad. Mary’s dad was of the Yudah tribe. Mary’s mom was of the tribe of Levi. Mary was untouched sexually by any man. She was of two Israelite tribes. Jesus was of Mary and Yahavah/ GOD. Jesus was of the Judah the Kingship tribe and the Levitical Priesthood blood lines of human/mankind and GOD. GOD made himself a human. Therefore, We all must follow the teachings of Yahsuah/Jesus. That’s where most Jews went wrong. Many Jews have not accepted Jesus as Thee Messiah. When Satan is kicked out of Heaven by Michael many will accept the Devil as their Messiah. At the sixth Trump, Seal and Vial / (666). We are near the end of the fifth. Many world leaders are these written of in: ( Rv:20:4: And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years ). This one thousand years is ( a one day with God time period ). The second book of Peter explains this very well. The day of schooling with only one Master. It is also written that when the Devil is here on earth pretending to be God, This is the time of the locust. ( Satan does not reign for a seven year period, nor is it a three and half year period ). GOD has shorten Satan’s reign period to only a six months period. ( God has done this for the Elite’s sake only ). It is also written that, Two witnesses that shall be killed in the middle of the street, lay there dead for three days, then rise again. These two witnesses were testifying to all that this entity that they were worshipping is not GOD. When these two rise again in that twinkle of an eye ( blink of your eye ) GOD touches his feet on earth, at that second of time, we all are turned into sprite bodies ( Angel form bodies ). It does not matter where one may be on earth at that second of time.Therefore folks, you must not follow the old Jews ways, nor shall we follow Satan’s falseness. There is only one true God, and there shall not be any other. GOD,YAHSUAH AND THE HOLY SPIRIT is what we shall follow. We, must learn of the four Hidden Dynasties that Satan is allowed by God to completely control. Also, as to the animals that we all are allow by God to eat are written of in the book of Leviticus, look for the health law. God will Bless you. So my friends, until then, Stay Healthy and Wealthy.

  32. Grace become a river so deep ,its current take the faithful for a ride to keep; through every tumbling and shaking age ,past kingdoms falling and people left strange ; to a board place ,atop a mountain high -to see the valley of vision below like our Father David cried we also Psalm 20,sing as we go ,our longing again to see the place of good thoughts ,that sacred dwelling where by the fire, light does become – all things- and new songs are sung… and the lake so perfectly still reflects -looking there in we see ourselves in harmony and know are name written on a white stone …

  33. Billy, this generation is the FIG TREE GENERATION We are living in it now. Stay steadfast Billy. I’m glad to have another true soldior here. We must take up the true sword.

  34. oldthinkernews | February 23, 2013 at 11:38 am |

    Excellent message, Zadok. The question that we all face is this: What will we do with the time that has been given to us? Spiritual and physical preparation (for ourselves and our neighbors) are two things that come to mind. This does not mean living in fear. As you said, we should also be living examples of God’s word “…by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.” – 2nd Corinthians 4:2

    Thank you for your thoughts, Zadok.

    • Have to disagree. There is a specific Scripture, Matthew 10:28, RSV, that says we are not to fear those who kill the body, but we are to fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell! The “him” spoken of here is a “spirit” that goes by many names, Beelzebul, Beelzebub, the dragon, the serpent, Satan, Lucifer, the Devil, etc.. Its strange how when one does what is good this “evil lies close at hand”!

      • Lance,

        Not sure where you are coming from, however I am sure that you should re-think your interpretation of Mat 10:28 the verses preceding it should help.

        Additionally, people have no power to injure the soul, the immortal part. The body is a small matter in comparison with the soul. Temporal death is a slight thing compared with eternal death. The Lord Yahshua is telling them, therefore, not to be alarmed at the prospect of temporal death, but to fear God, who can destroy both soul and body forever.


        • Romans 12:1-2 “Therefore brothers, I call on you through the mercies of God to present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, pleasing to God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this age, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind,in order to prove by you what is the good and pleasing and perfect will of God.”

          Malachi 1:14 “But cursed be a deceiver, and there is in his flock a male, yet he vows it, but is sacrificing to the Lord a blemished thing. For I am a great king, says Jehovah of hosts; and My name is feared among the nations.”

          John 15:17-19, “These things I command you that you love one another. If the world hates you, you know that it has hated Me before you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you……”

          Mark 13:20 “……..and if the Lord had not shortened the days, not any flesh would be saved, but because of the elect whom He chose, He has shortened those days.”

          Matt. 22:14, “For many are called, but few chosen.”

          Luke 16:13-14 “….You are not able to serve God and Mammon. And the Pharisees being money lovers also heard all these things and they derided Him. And He said to them, You are those justifying yourselves before men; Yes, God knows your hearts; Whoever of the inner man is possessed by that highly prized thing is detestable before God.”

          Luke 12:1-9 “……But I say to you, My friends, Stop being afraid of those killing the body, and after these things are not able to do anything more…….but even the hairs of your head have all been numbered. Therefore stop being afraid; you substantially differ from many sparrows…….. Everyone who confesses Me before men, the Son of Man will also confess him before the angels of God. And those denying Me before men will be denied before the angels of God”

        • Zadok-Elite,I’m glad to see that you use the correct name of our Lord. I believe that following the false teachings of the Devil can harm a Human’s soul. The Human followers, that continue and teach the Rapture theory are putting Human’s soul in jeopardy. That’s why we that have eyes to see and ears to hears are to say the truth loudly from the roof tops.

      • Lance,you are so right on this ,don’t let these people that have no idea of what they speak of change your thoughts. There are a few that know the real truth. When the true God comes back to earth, He is going to get rid of all of the falseness that Satan has put on many. Can’t wait to see them running to the caves as it is written. He / God does not want to do this wrath, But he must. That one day with God, is going to be good schooling for all us, that did not understand.There will not be any confusion then, cause Jesus will be the only teacher/ master.God will remove the devil then. Many don’t know of the four hidden Dynasties that God gave the devil to have control over until His second coming. God Bless, Stay steadfast, like the two working in the field. I’m sure you know what,I am speaking of. (the two witnesses) Stay true to the only Real God.

  35. It’s not often I find a group (this group) discussing the possibility that there is no pre-tribulation rapture. I find that refreshing myself, as I too see that doctrine as a false doctrine that produces much deception among those who liken themselves to Christ.

    Indeed it is an anti-Christ belief and can lead many to receive the false Christ you are mentioning Old Thinker.

    There is nothing I have to add to this groups understanding of this deceptive doctrine, I do however have a question, and maybe some thoughts.

    Let me frame it like this…once we accept that these may be the last evil days prior to Christ’s final arrival as we know it. Once we have determined that we may in fact be the generation that immediately precedes Him, or possibly the generation just prior to the last generation perhaps…what shall we do? What are we doing to prepare ourselves for living in that evil day? What are we doing to prepare ourselves for the potential carnage we are going to see due to disease, civil unrest, war, crime, starvation political oppression etc…

    You see, it cannot be enough to simply say that the “pre-tribbers” are wrong, or that our understanding of the bible will deliver us. I would ask you all (in the case that some of you have not yet asked yourselves this) what is the command of the Holy Spirit for this hour?

    Salvation is a gift from our Lord Yahshua to us, how we live our lives from that point on determines our end as “old Thinker” has pointed out. If indeed you believe this to be true, then surely we should be fully appraised of our Lord’s desire for our lives in this epoch, right?

    With an adequate understanding of Yahshua’s desire for all of humanity, what has He spoken to us in terms of direction, faith based action, that which we will be assessed upon? The work that will reveal He, Himself to all that encounter us…His children?

    I am open for discussion, and have for a number of years been working in this direction and have learned some things. I also know that the Lord Yahshua, the son of the Living God has revealed Himself to many others and I understand that their experience and anointing is essential to my/our endeavor in that last and evil day and I am anxious to learn of Him in any way.


    • Have to carefully consider your words, just as those who read my words should do. One who is a true Christian should attempt to emulate Christ in thought, word, and deed. In human form, that is difficult, just as Paul said in the letter to the Romans. Paraphrasing, he basically said the things I know I should do, I do not do, and the things that I know I should not do, I do! Romans 7:14 through 25 in the RSV, 1952, describes this “human” condition quite well. Paul said, “I can will what is right, but I cannot do it. For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I do.” In this present world, in this present body, Paul said, “I of myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.” There are many who have set their minds on worshiping and serving the “flesh”, but there are few, a “remnant”, who have set their minds on serving the Holy Spirit. Those who worship and serve the “flesh”, or the “beast”, are hostile to those who have set their minds on the things of the Holy Spirit. Thats why they consider those who will not join Facebook, and any of the other social websites, “suspicious” and “anti-social”!

  36. I have trouble with what you say. All religious texts are written not about what we consider to be god or gods but about what people at the time assumed to be gods, physical beings from the sky, who flew in bright ships and forght each other. Sound like gods to you. Stop deciding what to believe and go out with an open mind and search for the truth, as the truth will not be found in religion. Not any more.

    • Humans have done a fine job of distorting the truth via their religious interpretations, i.e, their “religions”. You are wrong in your interpretation that GOD is a “physical being”. GOD is NOT a “physical being”. GOD is a spiritual being. The “Holy Spirit” is NOT a “physical being” either. Unless a humans corrupt carnal spirit is replaced by the “Holy Spirit” there is no real “understanding” of the Truth.

  37. There will be no pre-trib rapture. Fact is, in Revelation chapter 6 it says that those who are “fellow servants” and “brethren”, like those who were before them who were “slain”, i.e. “killed”, are “to be killed as they themselves had been.”

  38. At one time I belived in the so called “rapture theory”. I bgan to hav my doubts in the 1980s and strongly belived today that it is a great lie spread about by Satan and his fallen angels. I too, wrote an artilee about this and I tltled it ‘THE GENERATION OF THE FIG TREE’. Let me know if anyone desires a copy. It’s free. Just send $2.00 to help cover the shipping and the large brown envelope to send it in. It is twelve pages long.

  39. Pretrib Rapture Pride

    by Bruce Rockwell

    Pretrib rapture promoters like Thomas Ice give the impression they know more than the early Church Fathers, the Reformers, the greatest Greek New Testament scholars including those who produced the KJV Bible, the founders of their favorite Bible schools, and even their own mentors!
    Ice’s mentor, Dallas Sem. president John Walvoord, couldn’t find anyone holding to pretrib before 1830 – and Walvoord called John Darby and his Brethren followers “the early pretribulationists” (RQ, pp. 160-62). Ice belittles Walvoord and claims that several pre-1830 persons, including “Pseudo-Ephraem” and a “Rev. Morgan Edwards,” taught a pretrib rapture. Even though the first one viewed Antichrist’s arrival as the only “imminent” event, Ice (and Grant Jeffrey) audaciously claim he expected an “imminent” pretrib rapture! And Ice (and John Bray) have covered up Edwards’ historicism which made a pretrib rapture impossible! Google historian Dave MacPherson’s “Deceiving and Being Deceived” for documentation on these and similar historical distortions.
    The same pretrib defenders, when combing ancient books, deviously read “pretrib” into phrases like “before Armageddon,” “before the final conflagration,” and “escape all these things”!
    BTW, the KJV translators’ other writings found in London’s famed British Library (where MacPherson has researched) don’t have even a hint of pretrib rapturism. Is it possible that Ice etc. have found pretrib “proof” in the KJV that its translators never found?
    Pretrib merchandisers like Ice claim that nothing is better pretrib proof than Rev. 3:10. They also cover up “Famous Rapture Watchers” (on Google) which shows how the greatest Greek NT scholars of all time interpreted it.
    Pretrib didn’t flourish in America much before the 1909 Scofield Bible which has pretribby “explanatory notes” in its margins. Not seen in the margins was jailed forger Scofield’s criminal record throughout his life that David Lutzweiler has documented in his recent book “The Praise of Folly” which is available online.
    Biola University’s doctrinal statement says Christ’s return is “premillennial” and “before the Tribulation.” Although universities stand for “academic freedom,” Biola has added these narrow, restrictive phrases – non-essentials the founders purposely didn’t include in their original doctrinal statement when Biola was just a small Bible institute! And other Christian schools have also belittled their founders.
    Ice, BTW, has a “Ph.D” issued by a tiny Texas school that wasn’t authorized to issue degrees! Ice now says that he’s working on another “Ph.D” via the University of Wales in Britain. For light on the degrees of Ice’s scholarliness, Google “Bogus degree scandal prompts calls to wind up University of Wales,” “Thomas Ice (Bloopers),” “be careful in polemics – Peripatetic Learning,” and “Walvoord Melts Ice.” Also Google “Thomas Ice (Hired Gun)” – featured by media luminary Joe Ortiz on his Jan. 30, 2013 “End Times Passover” blog.
    Other fascinating Google articles include “The Unoriginal John Darby,” “X-raying Margaret,” “Edward Irving in Unnerving,” “Pretrib Rapture Politics,” “Pretrib Rapture Secrets,” “Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty,” “Pretrib Hypocrisy,” “Pretrib Rapture Secrecy,” and “Roots of Warlike Christian Zionism” – most from the author of “The Rapture Plot,” the most accurate documentation on pretrib rapture history.
    Can anyone guess who the last proud pretrib rapture holdout will be?
    (Postscript: For another jolt or two Google “The Background Obama Can’t Cover Up.”)

    / the above was found on the web. any reaction to it? /

  40. A definition of a Semite and the relationship of Arabs with Jeremiah 50-51

    A Semite is anyone who has descended from Shem, one of Noahs three sons. Shem is the ancestor of Abram/Abraham. Judah is a descendent of Shem and is thus a descendent of “Abram” to whom promises were made [Genesis 15:18-20] and Shems’ seeds include the other tribes of Israel and the Ishmaelites—-the Arabs. Genesis 17:7-8. Abram later became Abraham [Genesis 17:5-6] ——– “But the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his Seed — it does not say, And to seeds, as of many, but as of one, “And to thy Seed”, which is Christ” Galatians 3:16., Genesis Ch.17., 21:12 [The actual origin of the term “anti-Semitism” is credited to German author Wilhelm Marr who wrote, in 1879, a book entitled “The Victory of Judaism Over Germany.” ]

    Gods’ promise to Hagar the Egyptian woman by whom Abraham fathered Ishmael, the father of the Arab peoples. Genesis 21:17-18 “And God heard the voice of the young boy; and the angel of God called to Hagar out of the heavens, and he said to her, what ails you Hagar? Do not fear, for God has heard the voice of the boy where he is. Get up, lift up the boy and hold him up on your hand, for a great nation I will make of him.” Genesis 16:12 “And he shall be a wild ass of a man; his hand against all, and the hand of everyone against him; and he shall live before all his brothers.”

    Genesis 21:20-21 “………and he lived in the wilderness, and became an archer.And he lived in the wilderness of Paran; and his mother took a wife for him out of the land of Egypt”

    [Jeremiah 50:29, 51:3 &12 “ambushes” =Arab, Strongs 693]

    “Call together against Babylon the archers. All you who tread a bow camp against it all around; let none of them escape. Repay her according to her work; according to all that she has done do to her. For she has been haughty against Jehovah — against the Sacred Man of Israel.” Jeremiah 50:29

  41. How did this Happen? “I was once blinded by a worldly deception that came in the form of New Age philosophies”.

    An excellent insight into the system of Marxist dialectics on this website.


  42. An answer to the Gods Chosen People myth —

    Judah married and had sons to the daughter of foreign gods——a Canaanite woman. Malachi, chapter 3 & 2:11., Genesis 38:1-10

    “But whereas Ham, Cush and Mitaraim took possession of the land fallen to them by lot, Canaan took with violence, possession of the land he coveted, along the sea-shore. His brothers remonstrated with him, and told him he would be accursed for having taken a lot that belonged to Shem and had not fallen to him. But he would not hearken to them; and dwelt in the land from Hamath to Egypt.” [Ibid. pp.44, 45.]

    “And what agreement has Christ with Belial? Or what part does a believer have with an unbeliever? And what agreement does a temple of God have with idols? For you are a temple of the living God, according as God said, ‘I will live in them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.” 2Corinthians 6:15 -16.

    Therefore did Tamar go to Judah her father-in-law, who had intercourse with her, not knowing she was his sons wife; and she bare unto him twins, Pharez and Zarah.”……. Chapter 6, ………… “After this, there began to issue a race from Naason [a descendent of Pharez], who was great among the sons of Judah; and from him began a kingdom and a priesthood, and the Jews became celebrated through him…….” “The Book of Adam and Eve” translated by S.C. Malan Genesis 38:6-30

    Jesus Christ was/is the end of the physical Chosen line Judah/Tamar, Pharez, Naason, David that was chosen to antecede Him. There is now no physical line of Judah that can be called Gods Chosen People – those calling on the name of Christ are of Judah in spirit. Jesus Christ – the King of the Jews.

    “And Peter opening his mouth said, On truth I perceive that God is not a receiver of faces, but in every nation the one fearing Him and working righteousness is acceptable to him.” Acts 10:33-35

    Paul’s ancestry was of Benjamin
    Paul’s religion was of Judah, that is, he was, by religion, a Jew until he saw the light.
    Paul’s nationality was of the Kingdom of Judah, which was politically composed of the tribes of Judah and Benjamin, and part of Levi
    Christs disciples were Benjamites bar one that being Judas who was a Jew by ancestry

    .As there are no physical descendents of Christ there cannot exist in the flesh a group called “Gods Chosen People”.

    ……………..But after the birth of Christ there remained no more trustworthy reckoning of kindred to the Jews. For Christ was the end of generations; He took it and gave it to us. [The Book of Adam and Eve]

    John 20:28
    “And Thomas answered and said to Him, My Lord and my God”.

    Matthew 7:16
    “You shall know them by their fruits…”

    • Joseph and Mary had many other children.
      so therefore there are people descended from the tribe of Judah.
      Jesus Christ sits on David’s throne.
      But there are many descended from Judah’s other son from Tamar

      • Jesus Christ is literally the Son of David.

        David — Mary was the end of the chosen line.

        No blemished Judah blood [Judah/Canaanite] was allowed in the line chosen to antecede Jesus Christ.
        Jesus Christ is the end of the pure blood Chosen line — Judah/Tamar, Pharez, Naason, David — Ruth, Mary that was chosen to antecede Him. Christ has not fathered physical descendents, therefore there is no pure blood – physical line of Judah that can be said to have descended from Christ. Those who hate Christianity and call themselves Gods Chosen People in the flesh are liars [John Ch.8] – those of all nations who call on the name of Christ are of Judah in Spirit. Jesus Christ – the King of the Jews. Gen. 38:11-30, Ruth 4:18-22
        Acts 2:29 – 31, “Men, brothers, it is permitted to say to you with plainess as to the patriarch David, that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is among us until this day. Being a prophet then, and knowing that God swore with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loin, as concerning flesh, to raise the Christ to sit on his throne; foreseeing he spoke about the resurrection of Christ, that His soul was not left in the grave, nor did His flesh see corruption.” Psalm 132:11, Luke 1:32, 2Samuel 7:12 – 16,
        Matthew 12:17-18 “……So that might be fulfilled that spoken through Isaiah the prophet, saying, Behold, My child whom I chose, My Beloved, in whom My soul has found delight! I will put My Spirit on Him, and He shall declare judgement to the nations.” Cor.1:26-31 “……he that glories let him glory in the Lord.” John 20:28 “And Thomas answered and said to Him, My Lord and my God!”
        Barnabus 3:16-17, “Consider this also: although you have seen so great signs and wonders done among the people of the Jews, yet this not withstanding the Lord hath forsaken them. Beware therefore, lest it happen to us; as it is written, There may be many called but few chosen.”

  43. So all who believe in the doctrine of the eminent return of Christ fail to resist the evil in the world? Is not that rather a broad brush statement? Jesus told us we are the salt of the earth, a city set on a hill. We are told to occupy till He comes. So if I embrace the truth of the Rapture doctrine I will fail in keeping the commands of Christ? Your presentation causes me to resist your opinions if this is what your mean.

    • “imminent” Return ooops

    • oldthinkernews | February 12, 2013 at 4:30 pm |

      No, Bunker. I think you might be misinterpreting what I said. Yes, we are told to be the salt of the earth. The pre-trib rapture theory tells us that we will not have to endure trial and tribulation. This is not what the bible tells us. A post tribulation rapture is biblical, however. As for you failing to keep Christ’s commandments; Only God knows your heart. I can’t make that judgement. My intention is to help us remember that the false Christ comes first, and many will be deceived.

  44. there are those that can’t hear and those that can’t see. I am so sorry…..we must study to show ourselves approved…….study study study.

  45. very well said ; all about the dreadful and coming day . In colors with no shadow or tuning we stand and bask our armor painted with light that darkness ca not comprehend or overcome – but so sad for friends and relatives who choose to exchange the truth for a lie !

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